Power and Cadence

Hi

Apologies if this is a silly question but when using the sufferfest app should I be matching the Power and Cadence on each video or do I just concentrate on one of them. At times I have difficulty in getting a steady match to both, and have attempted to change gears and resistance to help.

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  • I am just a 'saddle-warrior' myself, not a coach in any way....

    I have had the same experience.  I found myself not being able to hold the higher cadences called for in some of the workouts, especially as the power requirements held.  I am naturally a slower-cadence rider (grinder) vs. a higher-cadence (spinner).

    This past Winter I purposefully started to add more workouts using the higher cadence spinning to help train myself to adapt to the higher cadences.  While I won't claim that miracles occurred, I can definitely see/feel the differences and my testing results showed good improvements that I will at least partially attribute to my training adjustments.

    Just my experience! 

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  • There are times when I match one then the other is either too high or too low.  I then waste time trying to change gears and/or resistance.

     

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  • Same was true for me.  In those instances, I generally chose to match power and try to hold the best cadence I could.  I then intentionally worked on my higher-cadence spinning as I outlined in the previous post.

    In ERG-mode on the trainer I generally do not change gears much as I rely on the automatic adjustment of the power to be my guide.

    While I do believe the high-cadence spin training did help me train my legs for that, undoubtedly, a general increase in fitness also accounted for better testing results.

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  • Hi Everyone!

    This issue is very dependant on the gear that you are using.  In your cases where you are struggling to match, you will want to match power in most cases.  There are some videos where you will want to make cadence the focus.

     

    Here is a good article that covers this a bit more.

    https://thesufferfest.com/blogs/training-resources/how-to-get-the-most-out-of-your-workout

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  • Is there an ability to adjust gearing settings on the app? I feel like I’m always at the target power with my cadence incredibly below target... I’ve tried shifting around without much luck

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  • Jess if you're on a smart trainer in ERG mode then the gear you're using is largely irrelevant as the trainer will adjust the resistance to the dictated power at whatever cadence you're at.

    If you switch to Level/Slope mode, on an easier setting (0-2 range), then you'll be able to select a gear and increase cadence. In Level mode, your gears will work similarly to "real life".

     

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  • Is there always a big power/cadence mismatch in erg mode? In Erg mode if I go the appropriate cadence doing harder intervals I’m ~40% above power targets. Power/cadence is closer to target in easier recovery intervals but they never seem to line up

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  • Sounds more like a trainer issue than an app issue... but what do you mean by "mismatch"?

    Your output power can't be 40% above the target in ERG mode - because the app controls the trainer's resistance and will maintain the resistance to hit the power target no matter your cadence (except some extreme situations like all-out sprints, grinding to a halt, etc)

    It sounds like your trainer is possibly connected to something else that's messing with the FE-C control. Make sure you're only connected to The Sufferfest app and nothing else, then give it another try? Double-check that you're in ERG mode too in-app, check the settings in the device screen when playing a workout.

     

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  • Thanks for the help. Trainer is Tacx neo 2t.

    Example scenario: I’m at the target watts of 280, my cadence is 60... well below the target 90. If I speed up my cadence to 90 then I’m at an unsustainable 350+ watts. I shift down to granny gear and no difference.

    I’m clearly doing something wrong here as workouts are a slog, low cadence grinds where I can have power or cadence... but never both at the same time

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  • Yup, that certainly sounds like you're connected to more than one app. Make sure you're not connected to any Tacx apps or other ANT+/Bluetooth apps with your Neo.

    If the Neo is connected to something else, it might let it "hijack" the FE-C and that can explain what you're experiencing.

    Under normal circumstances, ramping the rpm from 60 to 90 with a 280 target should momentarily spike power and then reduce right back down to 280. Certainly not go up to, and remain at, 350+.

    The fact that you shift gear and nothing happens in terms of resistance is a clear sign that ERG is working - but not from the SUF app! 

    If it doesn't work out, I suggest opening a support ticket for The Minions to walk you through the setup, but ultimately, keep the connections one-to-one and you should be all set.

    Check this out too: https://support.thesufferfest.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000578816-Device-Connections

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